The Greatest Victory
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
To those interested in Christ, as opposed to Christianity, Easter seems far more important than Christmas. But what is it really all about?
By Anthony Migchels
It is said that during Easter we first mourn Christ’s painful death and then celebrate His miraculous rise. But as usual all is not clear cut.
Easter is closely related to the Jewish Passover, commemorating the Exodus.
The symbol of the Easter Egg, while said to refer to the empty tomb, reminds us more of a sort of fertility symbol. And since this is the time to sow for the next harvest this does seem a plausible interpretation.
It is not even clear whether Christ really died on the Cross. Part three of the Abrahamic Trilogy says that Jesus was taken off the cross by some of His helpers.
Interestingly, Allah sternly warns us to desist from the notion of the Trinity. Allah can destroy the Christ, but the Christ cannot destroy Allah. Says Allah. Simple logic, and thus hard to negate. Christ Himself most certainly never said anything even hinting at parity with the One. He was always very outspoken in the order of things: Christ asks, God gives, if He is willing.
The Trinity is one of Paul’s inventions. And although the book of Acts do seem to authorize him as Christianity’s leading apostle, it’s hard to forget he was once Saul, member of the Sanhedrin. We have only his own statements about his conversion to rely on. It’s hard to believe I’d be the first to suggest Saul may have been a Marano/Crypto Jew ‘avant la lettre’. There are many hints in his letters that suggest this may be the case.
The Qur’an states Christ was the only man not to be touched by Satan at birth. Born from the only woman not to be touched by Satan at birth. That’s quite special enough, in my book.
Is all this important? Probably not. The Qur’an explains we’re only human and cannot know, do not need to know. Until we do we should heed: “To each religious community we have given a direction which it follows, so compete all together in the performance of good deeds. (Qur’an 2:148)”
Yes, humility is higher than knowledge. The meek, not the intelligent will inherit the earth.
But we do know this, from the King James’s Bible, John 2:13-16:
13And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;
16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.
This is what got Christ on the Cross, whether He died there or not. He was messing up the Money Power’s business.
This lone man Jesus constructed a whip and just kicked Satan’s children out of the Temple. Their response was to (try to) murder him in a despicable way, but in doing so they created the most famous martyr ever.
The very least we can say about Easter is that we remember this brave man, untouched by Satan, dealing the Money Power a lethal blow.
His example shows, even 2000 years later, that not only must the Money Power be confronted. But that victory is assured.
Thank you Jesus! May we never forget!
Hi Anthony,
There are some errors in your post that I would like to correct.
One is that Jesus Christ is the Messiah (God in the flesh) according to the bible. If you look at
Isaiah 9:6 you’ll see that it says that the messiah is “The mighty god..”. And then in John 4:25-26
you’ll see that is says that Christ said that he is the messiah.
The doctrine of the Holy Spirit comes from 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy Ghost; and these three are one.”
The Pauline Epistles are suspect in my mind because in five different places Paul appears to be swearing oaths. How could he have been taught directly by Christ who taught never to swear oaths, and then write in five different places various forms of oaths. (Rom. 1:9; 2 Cor. 1:23; Phil 1:8; Gal 1:20; and 1 Thes 2:25) So, in my mind Paul, being a Pharisee was either a heretic or his writings were forged. Either way, his writings are not usable for attempting to discover truth.
And when I went to various churches, I found that most of the pastors taught that it was impossible to keep all of God’s commandments. So why did God give them to us if He didn’t want us to keep them?
I direct my spiritual attention to God, the one who created the heavens and the earth. I believe in Jesus Christ to the extent that I think the story is true, but I hold out for the possibility that a lot of
the gospels were made up, or they were altered too. I can’t prove in my own mind that Christ existed. My only knowledge comes from the writing, and I always hold any writing suspect until I can prove the veracity if it. Over a year ago, I wrote an article on my blog just after I had finished my book. http://verydumbgovernment.blogspot.com/2011/02/on-reading-and-writing.htmlI
In the Book of Enoch, it says something to the effect that God did not intend for man to confirm his faith with paper and ink. Any writing has the ability to distort someone’s mind. According to Enoch, reading and writing came from the fallen angels, so it seems that these writings take on an authority that they may not deserve.
I still believe in Christ, but perhaps in a different way in that a lot of the Christian writings that used to be in the bible were removed; but they were more instructive in how to keep the commandments.
But I hold out for the possibility that someone may have made up the whole story of Christ in order to distort the minds of the masses. If that is the case, I still rely on the God who created me. That’s really where my loyalty is centered. While I don’t think that was the case because of other writings,
I do think it is possible.
There are more Jewish and Christian writings that have a more practical value. I have some of
the posted at http://www.graceofrepentance.com/reference.html
My view is that the truth is the only thing that has any value. Once we know truth, then we can make some intelligent decisions. Faith is worthless if it isn’t centered upon truth.
Sorry I went on so long, that’s what happens when I drink coffee.
Al
Thanks Al,
Truth…………..how elusive a concept.
Love, especially Love of God seems even more important and at any rate more tangible…….
Thank you Anthony.
Happy Easter.
Kevin Boyle
And you Kevin!
Interestingly, God does give us the keys to non-parasitic monetary policy in the Bible. In it we have the story of the Creator of the Universe – the keeper of The Book of Life. God is a bookkeeper. He came to Earth to die on a giant T, a balance – the fundamental tool of bookkeeping. Undoubtedly this has been a great source of amusement for bankers. He is a triune god, The Father – bookkeeper, The Son – credit, The Holy Spirit – debit. His blood saves. Blood is the currency of the body. Money is the blood of the economy. Money should be saved then spent. There would be no money to save under our current system if there was no bank. Our debt is the same regardless of deeds – currency should be issued as equally as possible to all who enter into the economy. Money is created when a debt is established, extinguished as the debt is fulfilled. We are born in debt, extinguished if not saved.
philo! Good to hear from you and your inimical ways again my friend in Christ!
it’s just brilliant: the Cross as a bookkeeping tool 🙂
On dear, you men speak of things you know nothing about. Christ was not crucified due to the moneychangers. Go back & read his prayer in the Garden where he said, For this reason I came into the world (to die for the sins of the world in fulfillment of 300+ prophecies). He also said, No man takes my life but I lay it down (freely, not because any puny humans wanted him gone).
As for Easter, it has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity & most people know that. Anyone who doesn’t know it does not know Scripture, meaning they are “institution Christians” vs. Biblical Christians. Yes, there is a huge difference. Please do not confuse the two. If you want to write about the subject, please get your facts straight first. “The faith was ONCE delivered to the saints” 300+ years BEFORE Constantine set up his polluted “paganized State religion” meshing pagan holidays with Biblical events.
And Al, tip-toeing through the tulips (of Scripture) & picking & choosing what you like & don’t like is no way to discover truth. By rejecting Paul’s letters you will never find the answer to your question re the purpose of the Law since no one can keep it, etc. because it is Paul who explains the answers to that very question.
What you are wanting to do is establish your own righteousness by looking for laws & Do’s & Don’ts that you can “try” to keep. It won’t work. The Galatians fell into the same trap. Only Paul explains the Gospel of the grace of God, post-crucifixion, & that it is faith in Christ’s work on the cross, & that ALONE, that saves (no laws!!) Reject Paul’s letters & you have absolutely zero chance for salvation since Christ entrusted him with the Gospel of the grace of God for the Jew first & also the Greek.
While you are throwing Paul out the window, you’ll have to throw Peter out as well:
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.” — 2nd Peter 3:15-17.
On, & throw out James & John & all those at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 who all agreed by the leading of the Holy Spirit that no laws were to be burdened on Paul’s Gentile converts except to abstain from blood, & fornication, etc. They also gave Paul & Barnabas “the right hands of fellowship” & agreed that they would go to the Gentiles & the original 12 would go to the CIRCUMCISION (the Jews). But, go ahead, throw out the book of Acts while you’re at it (sigh!)
As for your verses re Paul supposedly swearing oaths: First off, what Christ said in the Gospels he said to Israel only, & Israel still under law at that. Christ himself said he came “ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” All his words applied to Israel.
He later chose Paul to go to the Gentiles. Boot out Paul’s letters & you just screwed yourself out of the salvation message (1st Cor. 15:1-4).
In your choice Paul verses, he was merely saying, “God is my witness…” Was that a lie? No! Was it an oath? “At the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, let every matter be established.” Paul was following “proper protocol” by truthfully stating God was his witness since Christ himself commissioned Paul.
Why Paul?
1. Christ had other plans for the 12. Their assignment was to the CIRCUMCISION only.
2. Paul held dual citizenship: A Hebrew (“to the Jew first”) & a Roman (“also to the Gentiles”). Who better for the job? None of the 12 had those qualifications.
3. Paul had been a Pharisee & knew the law inside & out. Who better to REASON with the Pharisees (“to the Jew first”) how Christ’s sacrifice fulfilled every facet of the law than someone who could “speak their language”? None of the 12 held such qualification.
4. Last but not least, having been a “Easter of the church” before his conversion, Christ chose Paul as the starting point of showing his/Christ’s sacrifice & grace was sufficient to save even a “chief sinner.” If Christ had not saved Paul, none of us would have a chance either since we were not part of the covenants with Istael.
Heed Peter’s warning. Don’t diss Paul’s writings… to your own destruction. Judaizers are rampant today. Their goal is to rob you of the totally 100% free gift of grace/salvation & would have you back under law (which negate’s Christ’s FINISHED work on the cross).
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As for the Quran, you’ll never find the true Jesus in there. It’s obvious from the way you talk about him. Wrong book. Wrong author. Wrong conclusions. Wrong person. Ditch it & start over!
Paragraph #4: Funny typo! Paul called himself someone who had WASTED the church (Jewish believers in Christ) before his conversion. Hence, I was trying to type, “Waster of the church” in that paragraph (& not Easter! W & E are right next to each other on the keyboard. Too funny considering…)
Oh dear, your arrogance is matched only by your shortsightedness.
By attacking the Money Changers Jesus created what was needed to fulfill His mission.
His story matches on all levels and it is completely understandable that He attacks the Adversary on the material plane to show Truth on the spiritual plane.
Hush now John, pray for humility and guidance.
To John 1:1
The doctrines that you describe from Paul are the problem and not the solutions. I can’t tell you how many people use the Pauline epistles as a reason for not keeping God’s commandments. They use the “cheap grace” doctrine of salvation, which is no salvation at all, and these churches are nothing more than pagan cults. However, there were some earlier Christian writings that help people learn how to keep commandments. They teach why certain commandments are what they are.
Clement of Alexandria chastised men for shaving their faces, making themselves look effeminate. Today, most men shave their faces, which to me is an act of submission to the beast. Rarely will anyone find a Christian pastor with a full beard. What does that say? Either the pastor is ignorant of the commandments or he’s just being disobedient to God’s wishes. I won’t listen to any pastor with a shaved face; it is too disgusting. I would have no trust in him.
In the first epistle of Clement, in the first two pages, he give a description of the Corinthian church that is remarkable. I’ve never seen a Christian church like that, but that’s how they are supposed to be.
In addition, the Pauline epistles are in conflict with the gospels. I’m more interested in what Christ has to say. He says, that we can tell a tree by its fruit. Just look at the impotency of the Christian religion and it is due to too much nonsense. The scriptures have been tampered with and they are a spiritual mine field.
After studying it for over 25 years, my take on it is that we are supposed to keep the commandments; the ones that fit into the natural law. That actually works. As it stands in the Christian church today, it is a complete failure as it gets no results, and part of the reason is because of the “cheap grace” doctrine. If you read the Epistles of John, he speaks of keeping the commandments, and if you don’t keep them, you are not a Christian but a counterfeit.
By learning to keep the commandments a man or woman can live a better life. God didn’t put us on earth to be miserable. What would be the point of that?
I only use writings that I think are true; and yes, I can do that. Who was the moron who said that the bible what the whole complete “word of God?” Oh, I know, probably some Roman Catholic pope or Protestant who are also under oaths. The excuses for not keeping the commandments are amazing. No man can function properly on earth without them.
I agree with this. When I first noted Galatians 3 I was very impressed. But later I started to realize this is what Steiner called the Luciferian temptation: the attempt to solve everything in the Spirit.
But there is work to do in this material plane, otherwise we would not be here. Sin is sin, whether we are in the Spirit or not.
Christ urges us to take up our Cross.
You are very right to point at the Christian’s impotence in the face of the Adversary’s onslaught Al.
It has everything to do with this Pauline mind control.
The Pauline “Mind control” as you call it is extremely devastating. I’ve seen people in churches destroy themselves because they thought salvation was one thing, when it is another. Keeping the commandments actually works.
Just the other day, I was talking to a business owner and I mentioned keeping the commandments, and he just waved his hand and said: “What are the commandments?” and he brushed me off.
This is why we have usury or interest in the banking system. Christians and Jews don’t object to it; they engage in it. It isn’t a big stretch for me to think that the Pharisicital Jews may have inserted these epistles to mislead. They may have just modified them; I don’t know. But the idea that a man is free from the commandments is so stupid that I can’t even imagine it. Yet, from one church to another, I heard this “cheap grace” doctrine.
The result was that these “Christians” had no better behavior than the pagans. In some cases, they were worse. My goal is to improve my own character and not to make it worse.
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (matthew 5:18)
I’ll stick to Jesus over Paul anytime. He was even kind enough to condense the Law into 2 commandments, because even the simple ten are apparently too complicated for the many.
Considering all that has been said, it must also be noted that it is MUCH more easy to keep the commandments by seeking to be in the Spirit and to pray for God’s Will to be done.
Clearly, by not praying, not meditating and not contemplating, not being in the Spirit leaves keeping the commandments a very uphill struggle.
Communion with the One, reconnecting to the Source every day, throughout the day is crucial if we want to keep the commandments.
Otherwise our vile animal nature (egotism) will always prevail over our good intentions.
I can’t believe that you are using the quran as an exegesis of the bible. The latter pre dates the former and was plagerized and distorted to create the evil religion of Islam. This is like using Das Kapital to explain the role of capitalism and the free market. Ridiculous.
What you think is capitalism is actually communism and there is no free market currently in this communist controlled world.
To Philo:
It’s hard to tell if the economy is communist or fascist, but whatever it is, it isn’t a free market. I wrote an article about Newt Gingrich and the economic collapse, and he was one if the instigators of the most dramatic take-down of the United States economy through NAFTA, GATT, and WTO. This jackass was running for president and he’s so bad that he makes Obama look good; if that’s possible.
http://verydumbgovernment.blogspot.com/2011/11/neutered-newt-helped-cause-economic.html
We have a bunch of socialist clowns running the show, with no let up in sight. They consider us livestock to be fleeced.
I address the subject of the banking industry serving Karl Marx in many of my YT videos. I will say this for now, in an actual free market, the ability for anyone to profit off of the acquisition of a “portfolio” would be greatly reduced. Standard of living would be based more on ones popularity than ability to monopolize by understanding how to work a market with a currency supply monopolized by a private entity. What Marx wrote publically creates the controlled opposition environment we have now necessary for parasites to control the planet.
@ pm
I’m always sorry to hear that people are so bound up in their own little world. The fact that 4,5 billion people were blessed with other scriptures (the Qu’ran, the Bagavad Gita, the Tao) means nothing?
They are all just waiting until the Biblical God will liberate them from their satanic ways? All the billions that believed Krishna or Lao Tse are to burn forever?
What God would allow that?
And who are you to suppose you know God because you read a book?
Widen your perspective. God is great, mighty.
He manifests in many ways and rules over many peoples.
Each people has its own destiny and is cherished by the One in their own unique way.
Btw, Das Kapital provides important insights in Capitalism.
Very strange comment, really.
Satan provides important insights into God and Jesus, but i would never say that they had anything in common.
Acts 4:12
New International Version (NIV)
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
THIS IS THE NAME OF JESUS, ALONE AND ALONE, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIS SON J E S U S, NOT BUDDAH, ALLAH, BRAHMAN, OR WHO SO EVER.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This may be true jm, but Allah and Brahman are two other names for the Father. So Christ will lead to them.
The Buddah nature is another name for the Christ Essence.
Jesus is not Christ. The Christ lived through Jesus.
It’s subtle. But unimportant. Love God and your fellowmen and you will be just fine.
No, these are all very different paths that do not lead to Jesus the Christ
These are all new age lies. Islam is the fabricated ideology of a ruthless warrior bent on world conquest. A honest cursory examination of the life of mohomet proves this.
All eastern religions are benign serene visages for satanism. The all proceed from the same lie told to man in the Garden of Eden: that man can become God by gaining secret knowledge through speical rites and meditation. Eastern religion in fact venerates the serpant and uses yoga to imitate it , kundalini, and become possessed by it.
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The documentary “Gods of the New Age” explains this deception and shows you how people’s lives are destroyed by these easter religions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPFewIjwBMA
Constance Combey’s, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, exposes these fallacies in even greated detail through an examination of their formation historically to the present day http://www.scribd.com/search?query=hidden+dangers+of+the+rainbow
I understand your concern. My take is this.
There are basically two religions:
One saying ‘Your will be done’
The other saying ‘My will be done’.
The first loves God, the second loves Ego.
The first is Christ, the second is Satan.
Kundalini has nothing to do with either God or Satan. It’s just a physical aspect of our being. Nowhere does either Christ or anybody else forbid us to sublimate our sexual energies.
If we do so with the goal of self aggrandizement, we sin. That is the temptation.
If we do so with the goal of becoming less focused on sex and saving energy so we can do better work for the One, we are on the right track.
The question is always this: are we enhancing our ego, or are we disconnecting from carnal, material desire to be in the Spirit?
To pm:
You’re correct on the eastern mystic religions, but I really do wonder about Christianity. When I see the so-called churches, they essentially do the same thing as the easterns and they act the same way. You can tell a tree by it’s fruit. So-called christian church is the bad fruit from the corrupted tree. Mormonism, charismatic, pentacostal, and almost all of the other teach that a man can be some kind god which is ludicrious.
Christ taught mankind (not humans) how to act and how to speak; keeping the commandments. Not to join groups and then act like idiots.
As far as yoga, I really wish people would stop doing it. It causes anxiety instead of relieving stress. People who use this will cause themselves a lot of damage. I wrote up an article on this :http://verydumbgovernment.blogspot.com/2012/02/stop-yoga.html
If you want to destroy yourself, yoga is one horrible way to do it.
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The NIV is a completely corrupted version of the bible. You are working with a broken tool. There are many websites that deal with the difference of the various bible versions. Can you prove that those words are the word of God? I’ll answer it; no. And the book of Acts causes more spiritual problems regarding tongues which is nothing more than pagan babble. Christ didn’t even mention tongues.
Just keep the commandments and you’ll be farther ahead.
What version of the bible has your preference?
Sheer multitudes of believers are no guarentee of truth or the real presence of God. I know Islam by the life of muhamed and sharia law. Tell me how a murderer, pederast, and liar can be venerated as a holy man worthy of imitation. And the adherents of Islam do imitate his evil ways as a religious practice. Show me one Islamic theocratic State derived from the Quran that is not a autocratic dictatorship and maybe i’ll change my mind. The arabs in saudi Arabi have a statsi like morality police and they practice slavery to this day. Women are treated like property and it is morally proper to murder, rape and steal from non muslims. It is a commandment of Islam to execute people trying to convert to another religion. Islam believes that lying is good and it is called tyqiyya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
I’m sorry, it is you that lives in a ethereal nether land filled with lollipops and sunshine.
Ah yes, the christian nation of the United States is such a wonderful example to world. Raping, plundering and murdering it’s way throughout Eurasia.
Saudi Arabia is ruled by Jews as is well known to the initiate.
Islam is corrupted by a tradition of the Learned Elders quite similar to the Talmud, the Hadith. The Taqiyya is part of that, not the of the Qu’ran. It’s quite similar to the Talmudian Kol Nidre.
Keep in mind that over the past 400 years each and every year more muslims were murdered by xtians than vice versa.
Don’t fall for the hate filled bullshit of your local church and newspaper pm. All organized religiion is sick to the core, including xtianity which is an affront to christ, as is your comment, even though it is easily forgiven as you simply do not know what you are talking about.
Have you read the Quran? Everything i said is found in it. Christianity does not condone murder, rape, theft and lying as a teaching in any form whatsoever — regardless of the many people that did these things in Chritianity’s name. Islam was what it is from its inception. Believe what you will. It is an insult to Christ to compare the life of muhamed to him on equal terms. Muhamed did these evil deeds and he is worshiped for them. If there is any corruption of Islam it exists in an attempt by western multiculturalists to whitewash it.
You would do well to read the works of Robert Spencer. A jewish scholar that meticulously documents his analysis of Islam from the mainstream Islamic religious scholars and the orginal texts of the Quarn and hadiths.
You would also do well to learn from fellow dutchman Geert Wilders. No one in your country or in europe is as outspoken and knowledgeable critic of the real Islam and its dangers to free and democratic countries. Do you also ascribe Islam’s ambition for a world caliphate to some mysterious foreign corruption? Muhamed was a ruthless conqueror and Islam is a continuation of this. Islam means “domination” for a reason.
How can you condem all religion on one hand and then wax poetic on how they are all relativitely good? Maybe you should keep to what you know, economic theory.
To pm,
You go to such great lengths to point to someone else who is a “scholar” and the problem is that he can only prove that which he can see and experience. We all get in too much trouble in thinking that the written word has some authority that it doesn’t deserve. The most prolific way to tell lies is to write them down. Change a little here, change a little there, and before you know it you have even more bullshit.
Why not just keep God’s commandments and then enjoy life. Really, who needs this nonsense?
@Al Thompson
All i’m attempting to show anyone here that is interested is that the truth of Islam as expressed by its univerally accepted authoitative leaders should be read in order to see that what Islam says about itself conflicts with the propaganda pushed on us by the multicultal relavists. The latter contend that Islam is not a threat, is tolerant, peace loving, ect. when by their own tenets and intrepreted teachings this is not true. Their “commandments” look more like a list of what Chritians consider deadly sins. For example compare a passage the koran vs the bible:
“And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you” Koran 2:194
“But I any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other alos; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have yor cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Ghive to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you” matthew 5:39-42
Islam is one of the most annoying religons out there. But if you take an honest look at their conduct, they are more compliant with the commandments in some ways, than any Christian or Jew.
In their economic and banking system, they forbid the use of usury/interest. In the Bible, usury is
considered stealing. I’ll bet that most everyone in the so-called Christian churches engage in usury which is breaking the commandments. So the paradox is that Islam in my view is of no consequence, but they do manage to get their banking system correct. Their women are dressed more modestly. However, their other “laws” are an abomination. Professing Christianity, Islam, Hindus, and the rest to me are equally offensive in their own way.
This is why I say religions are totally useless. It’s the same God for everyone, but we have all these stupid religions who don’t really help anyone. They are their for mind-control of the masses.
Whether it’s the Bible or the Koran, both books are so corrupted that they are not usuable. The creator made everyone and religion distorts the creator’s intentions. We’re supposed to be enjoying life, staying within the commandments which are a part of the natural law.
I don’t think we’ll get any closer to each other than this Al!
Islam nominally forbids ususory, but not actually. The amount that would be collected from interest in calculated and added into the price of a loan or sale of a product. Believe me, Islamic banking is not without avarice.
Islamic women are not forced to wear burkas out of modesty. Islamic women are forced to cover themselves, at the penatly of a beating, prison or death, from head to toe in this tent like garment out of misogyny. It is not about maintaining moral integrity of women but to strip them of their independent identity and keep tyrnnical control of them as property. http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/899/ban-the-burqa http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/612/burqa-ultimate-feminist-choice
Religions may have been corrupted, but to then dismiss them completely is not the solution. The solution is to go back and find the point in its history when it was genuine, purge the corruption, and rebuild it based upon that. God intended man to worship in communally in churches held together by divine teaching, eg. religion. Everything is the Bible needs to be interpreted to obtain its correct divine meaning. Even the commandments are not as unambiguous as you would believe.
Your categorical cynicism is as bad as Anthoy Migchels relativism — both leave one with nothing but a sort of alienated pietism. This may be necessary in a corrupted society but it is not the goal or ultimate end intended by God.
You’re wrong pm.
There is no relativism.
There is only the personal relationship with God.
It is foolish to believe you can find absolute truth in scripture.
Scripture serves only one purpose, to invite you to find the One inside, who is waiting to take command of your life.
Wafa sultan, a former member of Islam, is a powerful and insightful critic of Islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awmz_7HSeDw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLDD2220CD497194C6
True. But all this proves is that the Qu’ran is much closer to the Old Testament than to Christ and the New Testament.
The Old Testament calls for ‘an eye for eye’. And indeed: Allah commands His people to read the Old Testament and to accept it as from the same source.
So the question arises: what the hell (excuse the pun) is the Bible doing combining the Old and the New Testament??
If you can solve that riddle, I’d be most interested.
Anthony,
You will drive yourself insane attempting to harmonize contradictions.
It is just easier to keep the commandments than arguing over any writing. Life is much better doing that. I really don’t care what religious writings say unless I can verify them in other ways.
It is better to concentrate on keeping a good set of morals and living a productive life.
absolutely. That’s one of the things the ‘annoying’ Qu’ran can teach us:
until we know we are to compete in righteousness. Better advise is hard to come by.
I say we dump the bible, the Baghavad Gita AND the Qu’ran and start reading the Nag Hammadi papers.
The Gnosts were probably right: the ‘God’ of the scriptures is most likely Satan.
Hence the ‘annoying mind control’ of religion.
What I try to do is to try to reason how I am supposed to live without using any writing. Remember, any writing can be corrupted.
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Writings are like a spiritual minefield. They’ll tell you the truth on one hand, and then lie on the other. I’ve decided to stop wasting my time on such nonsense.
Even if I inadvertently read something that is a lie, then my mind has been compromised because I have read something that isn’t true. My whole thinking is in danger of being distorted. The unfortunate part is that writings seem to take on an authority that they don’t deserve. A writing is only as good as the truth that it reflects.
Like i said earlier, the Bible, to be understood correctly, need the proper interpretation. Accordiing to Catholic theology, the new testament is a fulfillment of the Old Testament, not a contradiction of it. Hence, the “eye for an eye” parable does not carry the putative secular meaning of vengence is justice. http://www.catholicenquiry.com/god-the-bible/why-were-the-old-laws-so-harsh-compared-to-jesus-teaching.html Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord — not for us.
Anyway, all i have to say is thank God that i come here for lessons in economics. 🙂
🙂 well said pm. And thank you for your biblical exposes in return.
Jesus is God incarnate. You seem very confused by New Age ideas, and denying the Catholic doctrine of the Holy Trinity is to deny Christ’s own words and the Gospels without even mentioning Paul’s teaching that was no different than what was taught by the evangelists. Read the Gospel of John which explicitly recounts Jesus claim to be of the same nature as the Father. “When you see me, you see the Father.” He died on the cross, which the Jews and Muslims deny. The witness testimony for the Resurrection is so strong that three law professors are on record, Princeton, Harvard, and Oxford, as claiming it would be impossible to break the witness testimony in a court of law.
I don’t think the “trinity” is necessarily a catholic doctrine, it is a Christian doctrine of which Roman Catholicism has no claim. Roman Catholicism is pagan and always has been. Now, if the Catholics inserted those things in the text, then it would be a fake doctrine. I can’t tell just by reading it so I just put stuff like that aside. Whereas, I know who that God did create the heavens and the earth an all within them.
The problem with any writing is that they may or may not be true. A writing isn’t evidence of anything unless you can find the truth of it somewhere else. How are you going to prove that it exists by just a writing?
http://verydumbgovernment.blogspot.com/2011/02/on-reading-and-writing.html
Listen Al: The Trinity is a Catholic doctrine, taught from the beginning. The Bible is inerrant, you can’t treat it like a smorgasbord. You either believe in the Bible in totality or you must reject it totally, there is no half-way. The canon of Scripture was defined and codified by the Catholic Church, with the caveat that nothing was to be removed or inserted. Your so-called Christianity denies the Christ-given authority of popes, and the founders of the schismatic and heretical sects of Protestantism removed passages of Scripture that denied their false teachings. Luther was a maniac who suggested that Christ was a fornicator, a more apt description of himself, and Calvin (Cohen) was a crypto Talmudist encouraged by his brethern to fragment Christendom. You have built your house on sand. The Catholic Church teaches with authority, something the leaders of Protestantism do not possess. Protestants can’t agree among themselves on a singular creed, hence the ploriferation of sects calling themselves Christian, confused ideas, historical ignorance, and self-appointed popes. Your claim that the Catholic Church is pagan is a total nonsense that can easily be dismissed by historical argument from any erudite Catholic.
To Tony:
>>Listen Al: The Trinity is a Catholic doctrine, taught from the beginning. The Bible is inerrant, you can’t treat it like a smorgasbord. You either believe in the Bible in totality or you must reject it totally, there is no half-way. <>The canon of Scripture was defined and codified by the Catholic Church, with the caveat that nothing was to be removed or inserted. Your so-called Christianity denies the Christ-given authority of popes, and the founders of the schismatic and heretical sects of Protestantism removed passages of Scripture that denied their false teachings.<> Luther was a maniac who suggested that Christ was a fornicator, a more apt description of himself, and Calvin (Cohen) was a crypto Talmudist encouraged by his brethern to fragment Christendom.<> You have built your house on sand. The Catholic Church teaches with authority, something the leaders of Protestantism do not possess. Protestants can’t agree among themselves on a singular creed, hence the ploriferation of sects calling themselves Christian, confused ideas, historical ignorance, and self-appointed popes. Your claim that the Catholic Church is pagan is a total nonsense that can easily be dismissed by historical argument from any erudite Catholic.<<
The house of sand is the house of lies, and the Catholic church is the house of lies. No one can be an erudite by studying bullshit and lies.
I was raised a catholic and their doctrines are complete nonsense. I wrote a whole book about this and how I found that some of the books that were not included in the bible had more edification is understanding how important it is to keep the commandments which are a part of natural law.
Liars have no authority, and that's why government and religion are so destructive. I don't need a "religion" that consistently lies to me and I've seen everyone I've encountered do that. The RC are just another group of liars, and all you have to do is to look at it. Their lies are self-evident.
So if the Bible says not to make statues or pray to them, I can agree with it because it makes sense. Why would anyone want to worship that which was made by a man's hands? But if the Bible says somewhere else that God made evil, I don't believe that for one second. Or if Paul the alleged Apostle swears oaths in five places and he says he was taught directly by Jesus Christ who taught not to swear oaths, then we have a problem. So do I ignore the commandments because I see a flaw somewhere else? No, because the commandments make sense, and frankly, they are the only things that work for the benefit of mankind. If bankers obeyed God's commandments, we would have no interest/usury, fewer wars, and a healthy economy. Oh, which reminds me, if the Vatican was so "Christian" then why do they engage in usury? It is because they are really pagans. If they were Christians, they would not steal through usury.
I couldn’t agree more. To say we can believe the Bible is for the immature. It is scripture, it must contemplated, meditated upon, to take out what is good, and to leave behind what is not. Many clear lies and inconsistencies can be found in the Bible.
Only complete cognitive dissonance explains why people think the OT and NT are two parts of the same story. And Paul indeed cannot be trusted at all.
Catholicism is corrupt at the core. Usury just being one of the more obnoxious aspects of it (this comes from a man who claims ending Usury is his main aim).
I have a friend who wanted to become a priest. In the first month in the seminary he was taught ONE lesson: don’t believe a word the Bible says. This is no joke.
My take is to read all the scripture I can get my hands on. The Gnostic writings ring most true to me, but that does not mean I ‘believe’ them.
The only truth that is real is found in communion with the One. That is our prerogative. That is what He really wants. That is where true happiness can be found. And wisdom too, although I’m still looking for that, as witnessed by the article and my comments.
Anthony,
One of the best ways to drive yourself insane is to get religious. But if you just focus on the commandments and natural law, then you’ll have the foundation for good living. The hypocrisy of most organized religions is overwhelming. To say one thing and do another means that the hypocrite is a liar. Lying is satanic. So, you can see that most religions that I am aware of are indeed extremely evil and destructive.
But the idea that I have to accept all of the Bible or none of it is just crazy. I know where there are a lot of contradictions. However, the main goal should be finding truth and then using it to our advantage. I’ve seen that keeping the commandments works very well for anyone who uses them.
Some people have said that Islam was spawned by the Roman Catholic church. That may or may not be true, but both are founded upon the oath. I look for the oath, as it is much easier to find and it is at the core of satanic delusion.
“One of the best ways to drive yourself insane is to get religious”
you’re probably right Al. Love can be quite intoxicating.
It’s the same thing when I’m playing the piano. Like the last few weeks, I’m working on Beethoven’s C sharp minor sonata, third part. The second I get carried away with my own playing, it’s WHAM. Over. wrong note.
That’s the paradox: the less you ‘love’, the better you get.
But I’m also reminded of some other giant, who once famously stated
‘being well adjusted to a profoundly sick society is not a sign of good health.’
Hit ‘reply’ to read the squashed bits
And it is also not for nothing that card Zero in the Tarot, representing God in his
unmanifested form is called the Fool. Because that is how the man who walks with
the One is seen by the many.
If I’m going crazy, I’m quite certain I’ll recommend it to everybody.
Love God. And your fellowmen.
“When you see me, you see the Father.”
This does NOT deny what Allah says: that He can destroy the Christ, but not vice versa.
Your quote is closer to ‘the way to the Father is through Me’. Which I do not deny, but of which I am quite certain that most people don’t have the faintest notion of what it may mean. Although they will murder other people who deny it.
John 1: Â Jesus is God the Creator from antiquity & part of the Trinity:
“1 Â IN THE BEGINNING was THE WORD, and THE WORD was WITH God, and **THE WORD WAS GOD.** 2 Â The SAME was IN THE BEGINNING with God. 3 Â ALL things were MADE BY HIM and without him was NOT ANY thing made that was made. 4 Â IN HIM was LIFE; and the life was the light of men. 5 Â And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” Â (See also Col. 1:16 & Rev. 19:13.)
The Holy Spirit was present at creation:
Genesis 1:2: Â “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the SPIRIT (Ruach Elohiym) OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters…”
God the Father & God the Son were also present:
Genesis 1:26: Â “And God (Elohiym) said, Let **US** make man in **OUR** image, after **OUR** likeness: and let them have dominion…”
All throughout Genesis 1 & the beginning of ch.2, Elohiym is used for God (after that, God the Son introduces his personal name, YHWH ELOHIYM). Â The Hebrew differentiates between DUAL (2) & PLURAL (3 & up). Â Elohiym is a PLURAL word, ie, 3 persons in One God (funny most Jews won’t recognize what their own language reveals about the nature of God. Â In the Shema, Deut. 6:4, “YHWH our God is ONE Lord,” the Hebrew for ONE there is Echad which means a Composite Unity. Â The same word, Echad, is also used in Gen. 2:24 to describe the composite unity of a man/woman at marriage when they become ONE flesh).
The Trinity was also present at the baptism of Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Luke 3:21-22: Â “Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that (1)JESUS also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the (2)HOLY GHOST descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a (3)VOICE came from heaven, which said, Thou art MY beloved SON; in thee I am well pleased.”
Since Man is a tri-part being (body – soul – spirit) & we were created in Elohiym’s Image, why is it so hard to believe that Elohiym is a triune God?
1 Thessalonians 5:23:  “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”Â
MAN: ____________GOD:
BODY ____________Christ Incarnate
SPIRIT ___________Holy Spirit
SOUL (Mind,Â
——Will,
——Emotions,
——Intellect,
——Imagination)___God the Father
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You write in jibberish. Keep it simple when you make a point. Don’t use ALL CAPS, it is very annoying and distracts from your thoughts. I do it sometimes, and then when I look at it I realize that it is a stupid way to write anything. That’s what the bold button is for.
The “trinity” is not three separate Gods, but one God. There are three aspects to God: the Father,
the Son (God in the flesh), and the Holy Spirit (or the spirit of God). The main point here is that God is still only one. Man, who is made in the image of God has his mind or mental being, his body, and then his soul. Here again, man is created with three aspects: mind (heart?), body, and soul. There are not three men, but the three aspects combine to make up the one man. This is the easiest way to explain it. Assuming that the scriptures are true, there is still only one God.
There couldn’t be anymore than one God so it is a waste of time to consider anything else, in my opinion. The God who truly exists is the one who created everything, and there is only one way to be compliant with him, and that is to keep his commandments. It’s not that hard. Religion seems to complicate just about everything. It is a waste of time to study theology and they come up with some of the most crack-brain ideas.
Anthony, Allah is not God. God is triune in nature. Jesus is God incarnate in the second person of His nature. Mohammed was just a man who taught a heretical doctrine that incorporated Hebrew and Christian sources and distorted them. There is, and can only be, a singular absolute Truth; that is the teaching of Christ who is Truth. Bhudda, Allah, and the others are false gods, like the “Christs” of the occult New Age false religion.
Keep in mind Tony, that if Allah is not God, than YHVH is not God either.
Allah commands Muslims to read the Old Testament and to accept it as from the same source.
The Gnosts of course reject YHVH and they are probably right.
Christ is in the Trinity what the Magician is in the Tarot.
And he is the Messiah, I’m more convinced of that every day. I’ll take Christ over the Tetragrammaton any time.
i have just been reading the first 3 pauline epistles,he doesnt nullify the law at all,and says that faith is not sufficient,you also need good works and charity.
there are far too many references to list them all,but here are a few.
romans ch2 v6.
who will render to every man according to his works.
romans ch2 v14-15
the gentiles have the law written in their hearts,their conscience giving testimony to them,without ever even hearing of the law.
1 corinthians ch3 v8
everyone shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
(the word merces is used for reward,indicating a thing equally and justly answering to the time and weight of travels and works,not a free gift.)
paul sums it all up as do unto others as their soul would wish done to them,in
1 corinthians ch9 v33
as i also in all things do please all men,not seeking that which is profitable to myself,but that which is to many,that they may be saved.
‘all men’ signifying that which is desirable to the godly-part that all men share,not just do as the other ‘person’ would like done to them.
if you take some verses out of context they could be used to nullify the law,but if you read the whole chapters carefully you will understand that what paul is saying is that the law causes us to rebel against it because of our fleshly nature,not that the law directly causes sin and is not to be obeyed.
we also cannot control our carnal thoughts but it is acting upon these thoughts that is the sin.
these references were taken from fr gregory martin and rev fr richard bristows supressed and hidden accurate translation of the uncorrupted latin texts in 1633.not the counterfeit censored version produced by pope sixtus v and not translated from the corrupted and altered hebrew and greek like the king james version.
Galatians 3:1-3:
1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
But all is not clear cut. Your verses are valid too. Thank you for this comment
PART 1:
Romans is THE bedrock of Christian doctrine & reveals the righteousness of God provided in the Gospel. Â It was written near the end of Paul’s second decade of ministry & about 10 years before he was beheaded in Rome. Â A simple outline of the entire book would look something like this:
Â
A.  Roms. 1:18–3:20: Righteousness is Needed by all since everyone is a sinner (heathens/Gentiles,Â
moral persons/Gentiles,Â
religious persons/Jews.
In other words, the whole gamut of humanity).
B.  Roms. 3:21–8:39: Righteousness is Provided to all who will believe in the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as full atonement for their sins.
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C.  Roms. 9:1–11:36: Righteousness is Vindicated in God’s relationship to Israel.
D.  Roms. 12:1–15:13: Righteousness in Practice (daily life).
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The first 3 chapters of Romans lays out the Big Questions before all mankind: Â
–Is all the world worthy of condemnation before a Holy God?Â
–Is everyone lost?Â
–When mankind stands before God, will the verdict be Guilty or Not Guilty? (Answer: Roms. 3:9,19,23.)Â
Chapter 1: Â Paul shows that the HEATHEN person is lost and without excuse.Â
Chapter 2, first part: Â Paul shows that the MORAL person is also lost and without excuse.Â
Chaper 2, last part, & Chapter 3: Â Paul lastly shows that the RELIGIOUS person (Jew)Â is lost and without excuse.
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Here is another simple outline of chapters 1-3 (which helps to show Chapter 2:6 & 2:14-15 in their proper Context, both chapter 2 citations by “bible believer” are regarding the Jews being guilty before God, same as the heathens & Gentiles previously described):
I. Introduction: The Revelation of Righteousness (1:1-17)
–A. Salutation (1:1-7)
–B. Thanksgiving and Longing (1:8-15)
—-1. Paul’s Prayer of Thanks for the Romans (1:8-10)
—-2. Paul’s Desire to Visit the Romans (1:11-15)
–C. The Theme of the Epistle (1:16-17)
II. Justification: The Imputation of Righteousness (1:18–5:11)
–A. Condemnation: The Universal Need of Righteousness (1:18–3:20)
—-1. The Guilt of the Gentiles (1:18-32)
——a. The Basis of Gentile Guilt (1:18-23)
——b. The Results of Gentile Guilt (1:24-32)
—-2. The Guilt of the Jews (2:1–3:8)
——a. The Stubbornness of the Jews (2:1-16)***
——b. The Hypocrisy of the Jews (2:17-29)
——c. The Privilege of the Jews (3:1-8)
—-3. The Proof of Universal Guilt (3:9-20)
–B. Salvation: The Universal Provision of Righteousness (3:21–5:11)
—-1. Manifestation of the Universal Provision of Righteousness (3:21-26)
—-2. Unification: The Universal God of Righteousness (3:27-31)
[…]
Now that the sin guilt of the whole world is established in Chapters 1-3, the next 4 chapters expound on what God himself has done about it, beginning at 3:21:
Roms. 3:21-5:11:  Paul “first discusses justification which is salvation from the penalty of sin.”
Roms. 5:12-8:17:  Next “he deals with sanctification or salvation from the power of sin.”
Roms. 8:18-39: Â Lastly, “he addresses glorification which is salvation from the presence of sin.”
The full “simple” outline for the entire book can be seen in Part III on this page:
http://bible.org/seriespage/romans-introduction-argument-and-outline
And Section II right above it gives a few sentences worth of description for each of those outlined sections — highly recommended!
For a fully detailed VERSE-BY-VERSE study for the entire book of Romans, see here:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/romans/romans.htm
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What needs to be stressed re Bible reading & interpretation in general is: Â READ ALL SCRIPTURE IN ITS FULL CONTEXT. Â The greatest confusion & error arises from lifting scripture up & out of its CONTEXT & then applying it to someone, some place, some time, some event, etc., to which it does not apply (the cults are famous for doing this, & that includes the RCC which is also a cult, just a bigger & richer one than most).
Reading scripture in context means reading the whole chapter & the chapter before & after, if need be, &/or the whole book if it takes that much, in order to determine who, what, when, where, why & how your chosen verse applies.
“It shall greatly help ye to understand the Scriptures if thou mark not only WHAT is spoken or written, but OF WHOM and TO WHOM, with what words, at what TIME, WHERE, to what INTENT, with what CIRCUMSTANCES, considering what goeth BEFORE and what followeth AFTER.” — Myles Coverdale, published the first English Bible mid-1500’s (was an associate of William Tyndale)
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Con’t. In Part 2…
PART 2:
The other simple confusion that “bible believer” made with 1st Cor. 3:8 (ie, “Everyone shall receive his own **REWARD** according to his own labour”)  & that MANY OTHERS make is not delineating the difference between SALVATION vs. REWARDS.
SALVATION is secured by FAITH ALONE in the FINISHED work of Jesus Christ at the cross for the forgiveness of one’s sins. Period! Â (SALVATION canNOT be “earned” by works/law/commandments /sacraments/rituals, etc.):
“But to him that WORKETH NOT, but BELIEVETH on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” — Roms. 4:5.
REWARDS, on the other hand, CAN be achieved from how a person lives out their life in their body **AFTER** they are SAVED by FAITH ALONE. Â (Key operative words: Â REWARDS & AFTER).
1st Cor. 9:33, also quoted by bible-believer, is an example of Paul’s efforts for REWARDS, not for his SALVATION since he was already saved!
Gal. 3:1-3 is the correct doctrine for all believers, ie, don’t be suckered by the haters of “freedom in Christ,” the Judaizers, who would have you think you can “rack up points with God” by going BACKWARDS IN TIME to law-keeping. Â (That’s like a fish trying to swim upstream & ignoring that God’s “current” — his progressive revelation — is moving FORWARD/downstream).
The bottom line is that law-keepers are NULLIFYING the CROSS OF CHRIST.
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Abother “For instance”: the RCC AND the Watchtower (Jehovah’s Witnesses) & some other such cults, teach that a person cannot be saved UNLESS they “join” those cults & “become one of them.” Â (NONE of that has anything to do with FAITH in The Gospel). Â Worse, they also teach that your salvation is NOT SECURED in what Jesus Christ ALREADY DID at the cross, but you must “work your buns off” (attend church, take sacraments, join in rituals, turn in time, etc.), basically, “DO MORE, DO MORE, DO MORE” in order to “EARN” your salvation. Â This is heresy & a lie straight from hell which completely negates what Jesus Christ ALREADY PAID FOR at the cross for the believer.
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Here are some absolutely fantastic charts showing the DIFFERENCE (in scripture) between SALVATION (faith that your sin debt was paid IN FULL by Christ) & REWARDS (for faithful service AFTER we are saved):
“The Difference Between SALVATION &  REWARDS”:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/salvatio/rewards.htm
“The Relationship Between GOOD WORKSÂ & SALVATION”:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/salvatio/workssal.htm
And a beautiful series of articles:
“The FIVE Crowns” (REWARDS) available to the saved/believers at the Bema Seat of Christ based on their faithful service AFTER their salvation:
Index:
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/index.html
Intro:
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/001.html
–Incorruptible Crown: Crown of Self-Denial (1st Cor. 9:24-27):
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/002.html
–Crown of Rejoicing: Soul-Winner’s Crown (Phil. 4:1 & 1st Thess. 2:18-20):
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/003.html
–Crown of Righteousness: For Love of Christ’s Return (2nd Tim. 4:8):
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/004.html
–Crown of Life: For Enduring Trials (Rev. 2:10):
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/005.html
–Crown of Glory: Undershepherd’s Crown (1st Peter 5:1-4):
http://www.livingbiblestudies.org/study/JT2/006.html
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What will the saved saints do with their REWARDS/crowns? Â Peer into the heavenly scene:
Rev. 4:4,10,11: Â “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold … Â 10 Â The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and CAST THEIR CROWNS BEFORE THE THRONE, saying,Â
   11  Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.”Â
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Back to the “BEMA” SEAT OF CHRISTÂ
http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=2cor&c=5&v=0&d=5&w=0
where REWARDS (not Salvation) will be determined by Jesus Christ for believers only:
2nd Cor. 5:9-10 (written TO believers, not the unsaved):
“9 Â Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 Â For we (believers) must all appear before the judgment (Greek: bema) seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” Â (See also Roms. 14:10.)
(The unsaved, on the other hand, will stand before Jesus Christ — at the end of his 1,000 year kingdom reign — at the WHITE THRONE Judgment, Rev. 20:11-15).
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REWARDS at the Bema Seat of Christ are for faithful service of believers:
1st Cor. 3:8-15:
“8 Â Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own REWARD according to his own labour. 9 Â For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building. 10 Â According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 Â For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Â Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Â Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day (standing before Jesus Christ) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 Â If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a REWARD. 15 Â If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer LOSS: but he HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.”
Note Above: Â REWARDS can be lost, but NOT a believer’s SALVATION as that was already determined & SEALED by the Holy Spirit at the moment of our salvation:
Ephesians 1:13: Â “In whom ye also TRUSTED, after that ye HEARD the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye BELIEVED, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of PROMISE.”
2 Corinthians 1:22:  “Who hath also SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.”Â
Ephesians 4:30: Â “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are SEALED unto the day of redemption” (of our flesh bodies as our spirit is already redeemed at the moment of salvation. Â See Roms. 8:23).Â
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Get saved FIRST by BELIEVING the Gospel in FAITH (1st Cor. 15:1-4).
THEN get busy in the Lord’s service!
(Just “being good” &/or “being busy” without being saved is wasted effort!
(Being saved & “law-keeping” is denying the cross of Christ!
(BOTH routes do not = Salvation!)
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The problem with Romans is that the writer has him swearing an oath. Once an oath is in a writing, the writing is a cursed document. It’s like the USA’s constitution. It may be a workable document, but since there are two oaths in it, it too is cursed. The evidence is in the poor behavior these documents produce. If you look at the combined bad government and bad religion, you can see the destruction that the church and state inflict upon mankind. If Paul was actually taught directly by Christ, he wouldn’t be swearing oaths.
Of course, look at the blind loyalty to the government Romans Chapter 13 advocates. I’m sure God did not appoint those jackasses to go upon the earth destroying men, women, and children and taking their property.
Remember, Paul was allegedly a Pharisee, and he would have the intellectual skills to completely distort the message of Christ. Christ said to keep His commandments. Phoney Christians say it is impossible to keep God’s commandments. The reality is that we are supposed and expected by God to keep the commandments. When we disobey God’s commandments, we set upon ourselves destruction. What should be taught is that we are always being tempted to commit sin, but we always have an escape hatch.
In this case there are only two possibilities: 1. The letters are forged, 2. Paul was a heretic, eitherway, the writings as they stand now are not usable.
The Gospels would be the foundation for Christian doctrine, and over and over again, they tell us to keep the commandments. How hard is that?
Al, I think you should address your biblical criticisms to Robert Sungenis. See what he has to say on the points you raise? You can contact him at the Bellarmine Forum online. Jesus existed historically, a question you seem at pains with. Even His enemies, the Talmudic Jews, recognise the fact that He existed on Earth and claimed to be God who created the angels, the universe and everything it contains.
Wow. God puts the answer to monetary policy right in front of your face and people just want to argue over doctrine.
can you imagine HIS frustration philo?
Wow, I’m looking at a word study of “serpent” in a whole new light – $. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. An evil fruit with two sides. Debit/credit. -/+. More/less. Republican/Democrat. Diabolical.
To All involved in the dialogue.
Thank you very much. All the input has helped me a great deal. After so much ‘argumentation’ in the best sense of the word, I’m a little lost. But in a good way.
The article clearly was not intended to tell ‘truth’. I’d consider myself very presumptuous to have any ‘truth’ to share on the matter. It’s not a simple science like economics.
The idea was to share a little of my own thought processes and trigger independent thought in others. And of course to celebrate the Christ.
I’ve said enough for now, feel free to continue amongst each other.
Meekness is the ability stop speaking when not heard. To not throw pearls before swine.
Speak Truth not to convince, but to liberate.
Your clamoring creates annoyance. Not because you speak truth, but because it is palpable that you want to convince. To drive home a message disconnected from those who are trying to maintain a dialogue with you.
You are not an oracle. You are speaking with learned men here, who have their own path.
Al is much older than you. He is learned. Not only by scripture, but by the incredibly tough lessons of life. Check him it out a little to find out with whom you are dealing with here.
Listen to people and sense where they stand, from there help them make a step, that is truly sharing truth.
Being meek means loving those you are trying to educate. Jesus was moved by compassion for the sheep. He realized that they needed His guidance and that they could not hear all he had to offer yet.
That is, for instance, why He spoke in parables.
I do not feel loved or respected by you. I sense you are trying to dominate me by blowing me away with your knowledge. And your knowledge is big, certainly, but not so big that I’m impressed by it.
Neither is Al. This insults you and then go call him evil. That is wrong.
So my friend, cultivate the gentleness in your heart for those that cannot hear you (yet) and keep your mind wide open for more experienced men that can help you grow even further.
And remember that knowledge is high, but humility is higher. We are all very small before the One. We are all much more like each other in that smallness than we are like the One in greatness.
Just ask Jesus and the One for guidance on this, it will be forthcoming.
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Al Thompson is Biblically ignorant and is devoid of Spiritual understanding. The Letters of Paul are sound – it’s man’s perverted understanding of The Bible that’s the problem – the intellect of man without the Spirit combined with vanity being the catalysts.
I will base my comments on the KJV. Thompson’s comment on 1 John 5:7-8 is not correct. These verses are a Roman Catholic insertion by Jerome in 390 AD – Paul had nothing to do with these verses. Romans 13:1-7 are also a corruption by addition by Rome.
Tertullian conjured up the trinity in circa 200 AD. If you had tried to teach the trinity to the first century churches you would have been thrown out of the church.
The Godhead is a Duality which John confirms in 1 John 2. Monotheism and Triunism are both satanic constructs – anti-Christs no less.
Beware of seducers
1 John 2:18-27 (KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
from whose deceits the godly preserve themselves through perseverance in faith and holiness of life
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Your comments don’t get anymore uninformed as yours.
First of all, you use the KJV bible as your authority, and then deny the 1 John 1:5-7 as being a bogus scripture which would be contained in the same version. To be consistent with your view, you would have to deny Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the holy Ghost.” (Geneva Bible) Then we see that Ananias in Acts 5:3-4 lies to the Holy Spirit which is the same thing as lying unto God.
The problem with your argument is that I can easily prove you are lying. If I make a good point, you come back and say that the scripture I used is no good, but then you use the same version of the bible to make your stupid point which has no basis in fact. To say that Christ is a duality with the Father is an insane position if you are going to use the bible.
The Pauline epistles are not usable because of the problem with the oaths. You just blew that off like I would expect most people who can’t think. If he learned from Christ directly, he wouldn’t be swearing oaths.
There are problems with the gospel. If you look at the parable of talents Christ is allegedly to have said: “Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers (usury), and then at my coming should I have received mine own with vantage (interest).” I don’t think Christ would ever expect anyone to receive or engage in interest which is considered stealing. This is why relying only on writings without thoughtful consideration is extremely dangerous. So the only things that I can see in the bible that are reliable are those commandments which comply with the commandments and/or the natural law.
If I see a verse which looks weird, I just discard it or put it aside until I get the proper understanding.
When I see contradictions in the scripture I simply figure someone is lying.
Getting back to the trinity doctrine. All I know is that it is taught in the bible. Whether it is true or not is something that I cannot prove one way or another. Since I inherently distrust any writing that I can’t prove, I simply put it aside. Either way, my God is the one who created the heavens, the earth, and all that it contains. I don’t need a bible to believe in that, because my evidence is the existence of the creation and all I have to do is look at it. The creation is not to be worshiped, but it is the evidence of the existence of God. Assuming Jesus Christ is God in the flesh as the bible clearly states, I’m essentially worshiping the same thing. But what if he didn’t even exist?
Religious people seems to lie just like the politicians, and there appears to be no exception in your case. If I worship him, I’m in danger of breaking the first commandment.
“First of all, you use the KJV bible as your authority, and then deny the 1 John 1:5-7 as being a bogus scripture which would be contained in the same version.”
Of course I use the KJV of the Bible and nowhere have I said that it is inerrant – on the contrary I pointed out that 1 John 5:7-8 was a Roman Catholic corruption, but obviously you didn’t understand, for some strange reason.
“To be consistent with your view, you would have to deny Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the holy Ghost.””
I am consistent and I do deny it, for it, too, is a corruption and Eusebius c. AD 263 – 339 (himself a trinitarian) corroborates it in his citations of that same verse. Baptism should be into Christ’s name alone.
“The problem with your argument is that I can easily prove you are lying.”
I don’t argue. I tell people The Truth and they argue with me.
“If I make a good point, you come back and say that the scripture I used is no good.”
Unfortunately you have not made any good points, only erroneous points.
“To say that Christ is a duality with the Father is an insane position if you are going to use the bible.”
I haven’t said it, John said it in his epistle and I quoted the scripture for all to read and you obviously failed to do that. Which makes you look rather silly.
“The Pauline epistles are not usable because of the problem with the oaths.”
What oaths? None of the scriptures you quoted refer to taking or making any oaths.
“There are problems with the gospel. If you look at the parable of talents Christ is allegedly to have said: “Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers (usury), and then at my coming should I have received mine own with vantage (interest).” I don’t think Christ would ever expect anyone to receive or engage in interest which is considered stealing.”
I will repeat – there are no problems with Gospels nor the Epistles other than Roman Catholic corruptions/additions allowed into the Latin Vulgate Bible by Jerome in 390 AD and were subsequently translated into the English translations much later i.e.16th and 17th centuries.
As for your remarks about the talents, this was a parable with a symbolic Spiritual meaning only not a literal meaning. Here again you show no Spiritual understanding.
“Getting back to the trinity doctrine. All I know is that it is taught in the bible.”
This is a gross assumption on your part, for it is not taught in the Bible at all once you study and understand whose agenda is being served via the trinity corruptions and erroneous insertions – namely Rome (THE WHORE OF BABYLON) and her protestant daughters.
“When I see contradictions in the scripture I simply figure someone is lying.”
There are no contradictions in the Scriptures.
“Religious people seems to lie just like the politicians.”
I am not religious – I follow The Way – Yashua Anointed. It’s only people of The Christian Religion who are religious.
“This is why relying only on writings without thoughtful consideration is extremely dangerous.”
It’s only dangerous when people with limited understanding or more importantly are devoid of Spiritual understanding attempt to interpret The Holy Scriptures as you have done.
When I see people write as stupidly as you do, I wonder if I should even respond to it. You talk about The Way–Yashua…etc. Then you use the epistle of John to prove a point, and then say that 1 John 5: 7-8 is a Roman Catholic fraud. You’re not even smart enough to use a bait and switch but siting the NIV which removed the said “scripture.” Now it it is corrupted, then so be it.
But whatever it is, it does indicate God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and the three are one. I see no evidence that it is a corruption of doctrine, whereas your God duality is just wrong.
You actually sound like some kind of Pentecostal.
If you had any truth to what you are saying, it would be at least somewhat believable, but you’re all over the place.
>>I am consistent and I do deny it, for it, too, is a corruption and Eusebius c. AD 263 – 339 (himself a trinitarian) corroborates it in his citations of that same verse. Baptism should be into Christ’s name alone. <>What oaths? None of the scriptures you quoted refer to taking or making any oaths<<
I listed them and you know perfectly well they are oaths. You're lying again. Remember, liars go to hell.
I also notice how you didn't respond to the parable of the talents where it says Christ suggests the use of usury. Tough one isn't it. If God said not to steal, and Jesus Christ said he was God in the flesh, then it doesn't make sense that he would suggest such a thing. However, a Pharisee would put it in there to justify the use of usury, now that is a big possibility.
All of the well-known "Christian" religions that I am aware of are founded upon the oath, thus making them completely dysfunctional for having any spiritual value. True Christianity would not use oaths and would never suggest the use of usury.
You’re out of your depth Al, get back to your secular intellectual fantasy world where you belong.
As I said, you’re devoid of Spiritual understanding and you have not proven that Paul swore any oaths. When you have done that, I will listen to what you have to say.
Paul swore the oaths and there’s no point in going over something like this with someone who lies.
Because the oath is at the root of the problem. Just in case you missed the listing they are:
Romans 1:9; 2 Corinthians 1:23; Phil 1:8; Gal 1:20; and 1 Thes 2:24. There are two possibilities here. Either Paul was a heretic and a liar, or someone came into the picture behind him and
forged his letters. As presented, these letters are not usable. Incidentally, you stated that you are a part of The Way which is an organization that is completely anti-Christ because they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Clearly, the bible states that Jesus Christ (Savior-Messiah) is God in the flesh. The Way International states: “When all is subjected unto God, Jesus Christ will take his rightful position under his heavenly Father, Who is “greater than” he is.
Are God and His Son identical? Clearly from the Scriptures, the answer is no. The truth of God’s Word reveals that God holds a uniquely exalted position above that of His Son Jesus Christ. Although as Father and Son they are similar in many aspects, they are not identical. ”
This above statement is completely against what the bible says, and this is a perfect example of
how church organizations twist the scriptures to promote their satanic agenda. I have not found one church anywhere that does not do it.
I’ll bet that you have women speaking in the churches when the Pauline epistles teach against it.
Your pastors have shaved girly faces (disregarding the commandment at Lev. 19:27 and natural law) and so assuming that you are a member of this group, you completely ignore the written word anyway. This is why I think it is important to continually cross check any writings to make sure they are consistent with the commandments and with natural law. God’s existence doesn’t depend upon a man-made organization.
Oh, you still haven’t addressed the issue of usury. If these were true Christian churches, they would teach never to take a loan based upon interest. This is a big deal and another indication of the fallacy of the churches. If they were true to their teaching, they wouldn’t allow their people to engage in usury.
The “churches” are just operatives of the state; the state is evil and built upon the oath which pledges allegiance to Satan.
Christ taught mankind to keep the commandments; this should be so difficult. The church organizations distort mos everything. If they aren’t lying, they aren’t doing their job.
It is clear to me that your mind has been compromised by these churches and the same thing happened to me. You can always tell when a religious leader is lying; when he is moving his lips.
Because even when he tells the truth, he will always distort it into a lie.
And if it wasn’t for these stupid organizations, we wouldn’t have the economic chaos that usury promotes. The various “Christian” organizations are very destructive in nature and should be avoided.
Still waiting AL.
“Paul swore the oaths and there’s no point in going over something like this with someone who lies.”
There’s every point and well you know it and until you do go over it they will remain the empty words of an ignorant man until he explains. Put up or shut up comes readily to mind!
Quoting Scriptures without explanation is pure nonsense and also reveals you’re full of it. You’ll understand, too, that I am being very polite here.
Gents, just give it up, you won’t convince each other and every man has his own path to find the One. Bitterness in discussions on the path are not doing Him a favor and if we believe the other is lost, remember that Jesus had to respect the choice of Pharisees not to engage him truthfully.
That’s an old stupid debating tactic; it won’t work on me.
I don’t debate, The Truth cannot be debated. I leave debating to ‘experts’ like you. LOL
Charles, you do debate.
It’s clear you are a stubborn Truthseeker and as such has found a great deal. But you are a little presumptuous.
The meek shall inherit the earth, not the intelligent.
You are not meek.
Anthony, telling people The Truth is not debating – only intellectuals debate as they did in Greece when Paul visited them in Corinth. Paul was frequently accused of being arrogant, belligerent and boastful and continually reminded his audiences that he only boasted in The One who had sent him – Yashua Anointed.
Debaters go round and round and round forever and a day but never coming to sound conclusions or understanding – The Truth, for they are strangers to The Truth – The Truth being Yashua Anointed Himself – He is The Truth, The Way, The Light, The I Am and The Word.
What is your definition of meekness for I can assure you it’s not weakness or liberal effeminacy or faux humility as put across by members of the Christian Religion? Whining Anglicans being the best example.
Meekness is the ability stop speaking when not heard. To not throw pearls before swine.
Speak Truth not to convince, but to liberate.
Your clamoring creates annoyance. Not because you speak truth, but because it is palpable that you want to convince. To drive home a message disconnected from those who are trying to maintain a dialogue with you.
You are not an oracle. You are speaking with learned men here, who have their own path.
Al is much older than you. He is learned. Not only by scripture, but by the incredibly tough lessons of life. Check him it out a little to find out with whom you are dealing with here.
Listen to people and sense where they stand, from there help them make a step, that is truly sharing truth.
Being meek means loving those you are trying to educate. Jesus was moved by compassion for the sheep. He realized that they needed His guidance and that they could not hear all he had to offer yet.
That is, for instance, why He spoke in parables.
I do not feel loved or respected by you. I sense you are trying to dominate me by blowing me away with your knowledge. And your knowledge is big, certainly, but not so big that I’m impressed by it.
Neither is Al. This insults you and then go call him evil. That is wrong.
So my friend, cultivate the gentleness in your heart for those that cannot hear you (yet) and keep your mind wide open for more experienced men that can help you grow even further.
And remember that knowledge is high, but humility is higher. We are all very small before the One. We are all much more like each other in that smallness than we are like the One in greatness.
Just ask Jesus and the One for guidance on this, it will be forthcoming.
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I agree that I am not an oracle, but I am a messenger of Yashua Anointed.
I agree, too, that I should stop when not being heard and I will, because these verses are as valid today as they were then and I am fully aware of what Yashua Anointed said:
Matt 13:10-16 (KJV) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
He also said: “Many are called, few are chosen.”
I sense though that you’re someone who is being called and does understand in part and I sense it in your article above, but you do have some erroneous ideas.
Meekness is power under control that’s all, and nowhere have I exercised uncontrolled behaviour here on your blog and I respect much of what you say, especially about the Canaanite Jew bankster criminals. However your defence of blasphemers like Al under the pretence of him and they being learned is a gross error. All intellectuals are learned and that’s their problem. The Word of God can be discerned easily by the uneducated (even if they cannot read they learn by hearing) because it’s Spiritually discerned, not intellectually discerned. The intellect is the enemy of Spiritual Truth because it is the fuel of vanity.
In short, what I am saying is that you need to start separating Truth from intellectual mumbo jumbo of which this world (Matrix/System) is full and unfortunately Al is one of their mouthpieces..
Ok.
I sense clearly you have taken the time to process what I was trying to say and I very much appreciate that.
I’ll be the first to admit that I have erroneous ideas, we’re all here to grow first and foremost.
I certainly don’t overrate intelligence, nor knowledge, meekness and kindness are higher to me, although I also understand that for me too walking the path is not always the same as knowing the path.
I suggest we keep it at this, I appreciate this considerate message.
I look forward to seeing more enlightening comments by you at Real Currencies.
THIS MAYBE SOMEWHAT LATE – BUT PAUL WAS CALLED DAGGALA/DAJJAL [ANTI-CHRIST] BY ST. BARNABAS AND THE EBIONITE FOLLOWERS OF JAMES THE LORD’S BROTHER – FOR PREACHING “IMPIOUS DOCTRINE” REPUDIATING THE CIRCUMCISION AND ALLOWING THE CONSUMPTION OF UNCLEAN MEAT BY “SOWING TARES OF DISBELIEF”. AS THE OLD RHYME GOES: “A MAN CALLED SAUL LATER NAMED PAUL, CAME ALONG AND SPOILED IT ALL”. BUT WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR HIS ONE AND ONLY VERIFIABLE STATEMENT OF TRUTH IN GALATIANS 4: 20 / 25 THAT “THIS HAGAR [THE MOTHER OF ISHMAEL] IS MOUNT SINAI IS IN ARABIA” – CURRENTLY CALLED JEBEL EL LAWS, NEAR TABUK,TO THE SOUTH OF JORDAN.
THE ANTIPATHY TOWARDS ISHMAEL AND HIS MOTHER HAGAR IS FOUNDED ON THE MALICIOUSLY FALSE TRANSLATION OF THE HEBREW “YADO BA KOL VIAD KOL BO” IN GENESIS 16:12 WHICH, CONTRARY TO ALL CURRENT VERSIONS KSV ETC – ACTUALLY SAYS ” “HE IS INDOMITABLE – HIS HAND IS IN ALL HANDS AND ALL HANDS ARE IN HIS”. NOT AS THE FALSIFIERS CLAIM THAT: “HE IS A WILD ASS OF A MAN – HIS HAND IS AGAINST ALL HANDS AND ALL HANDS ARE AGAINST HIS”. REGARDING THE CRUCIFIXION THE ONCE CANONICAL GOSPEL OF BARNABAS CONFIRMS THE ACCOUNT OF THE “LAUGHING GOSPEL” AND THE QURANIC DECLARATION: “THAT THEY NEITHER KILLED [CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY] HIM NOR DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM – BUT A LIKENESS OF HIM”. AS BARNABAS RECORDS IN HIS GOSPEL. WHEN JUDAS ENTERS THE UPPER ROOM HE IS TRANSMOGRIFIED – BECOMING THE MIRROR IMAGE OF JESUS, PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON HIM, AND IT IS HE JUDAS WHO IS JUSTLY CRUCIFIED – HENCE THE CRY “MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME” THESE ARE NOT THE WORDS OF GOD OR A CON-SUBSTANTIAL SON OF GOD – WHO WOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE CALLING ON HIMSELF TO EXPLAIN HIS PLIGHT – HENCE IT WAS A CRUCI-FICTION. AS JESUS IS RECORDED IN THE LAUGHING GOSPEL “AND I LAUGHED AS I WATCHED THEM NAIL THEIR MAN UNTO THEIR DEATH.”
SHALOM-SALAAM-PEACE BE WITH YOU.
I like the idea of interest free credit and debt free money.. I think that is the way to go.. Private property rights speak volumes to me.. I’m also not an atheist.. But is it really necessary to include religion (faith) into the debate on economic systems?? Sacred Economics vs. Usury (Jewish) Economics appears to me as just another dialectical set up.. Instead of threatening the Money Power Jews with hell, perhaps they all (non-Jewish ones too) just need to be hanged??
Also.. This real currency that you speak about.. Is it going to be Virtual Money (numbers on a computer screen) or is this something we actually will be able to to hold in our hands, i.e. cash/bank notes??? That’s very important.. Please let us know..